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whos more epic kino or ddt FI 60976 В конец треда | Веб
whos more epic kino or ddt
RU 2 60977
>>0976 (OP)
grazhdanskaya oborona
BY 3 60985
>>0976 (OP)
Kino indeed. Their songs are full of deep meaning and symbolism. Their song "Demanding changes" was almost an anthem of soviet Perestroika.

https://youtu.be/cg_Yge-K7Hc
BY 4 60986
>>0985
Here's a special version for finns
https://youtu.be/IlVwUT-qbgI
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CL 5 61072
I'm very interested in Viktor Tsoi, why is he regarded as a legend there in Russia? Do young people still listen to Kino?

Also, is there any other band with this legendary status?
BY 6 61073
>>1072
Kino is known among youth but not popular. It is their parents who loved the band when they were younger. Also, it can not be popular since the lead vocalist Victor Tsoy had been killed in a car accident in 1990 and the band dissolved.
BY 7 61074
>>1072
The reason for Kino's popularity was actuality and relevance of their lyrics to the situation. The author managed to find politically correct words bypassing censorship to express what people felt. He used symbols referring to eternal wisdom or archetypes that we acquire through tales, myths and religion. When there was stagnation in the USSR he sang how we were fed up with it. When there was a secret war with Afghanistan he sang about blood. Finally, when the soviet government announced Perestroyka, Victor Tsoy sang the anthem for changes which become so popular, like you were walking through the street and could hear it playing from different homes.

So the the popularity of this band is locked to the epoch. Its songs can only be understood and felt by the people leaving in the epoch. While Kino's music was primitive it did not met better competitors in the USSR. The rest bands were either state-approved folk clowns or completely underground bands with poor sound quality and no public concerts. I am not sure if the band managed to maintain its popularity later. However, the unexpected decease of the vocalist, at the top of his popularity, added some dramatic mysticism to the public perception of the band and contributed even more to its popularity.

Other legendary bands were:

Nautilus Pompilius - rock, music seems better, but less energetic, lyrics was weird, they missed to hit the symbols.

Mashina Vremeni (Time Machine) - rock again, using acoustic guitar, they seem a bit boring.
BY 8 61078
>>1074
Seems, I'm already into this Kino thing. I've discovered a good song to illustrate the symbolism in their lyrics that would be clear to international audience. Do you guys understand the meaning of this song. What April stands for? What is home? What is spring?

https://youtu.be/S5OLR9lkgDk

KINO - APRIL

There's frost on the ground
Everything's been touched by ice,
I hear the music of thawing snow dripping only in my dreams
It snows heavily like a wall
And it snows all day,
And behind that wall, there's April.

And he comes, and he'll bring Spring with him,
And he'll scatter the army of grey clouds,
And when we all look into his eyes,
His melancholy eyes will look back at us.
The door to home will be opened,
It's no good if you keep standing, you'd better sit down..
And when we all look into his eyes,
We'll see sunshine in those eyes...

There are uncountable wounds on the body,
It's hard to take a step,
The star shines only in his heart.
And April will die,
And be born once again,
And he's already come forever...

And he comes, and he'll bring Spring with him,
And he'll scatter the army of grey clouds,
And when we all look into his eyes,
His melancholy eyes will look back at us.
The door to home will be opened,
It's no good if you keep standing, you'd better sit down..
And when we all look into his eyes,
We'll see sunshine in those eyes
BY 8 61078
>>1074
Seems, I'm already into this Kino thing. I've discovered a good song to illustrate the symbolism in their lyrics that would be clear to international audience. Do you guys understand the meaning of this song. What April stands for? What is home? What is spring?

https://youtu.be/S5OLR9lkgDk

KINO - APRIL

There's frost on the ground
Everything's been touched by ice,
I hear the music of thawing snow dripping only in my dreams
It snows heavily like a wall
And it snows all day,
And behind that wall, there's April.

And he comes, and he'll bring Spring with him,
And he'll scatter the army of grey clouds,
And when we all look into his eyes,
His melancholy eyes will look back at us.
The door to home will be opened,
It's no good if you keep standing, you'd better sit down..
And when we all look into his eyes,
We'll see sunshine in those eyes...

There are uncountable wounds on the body,
It's hard to take a step,
The star shines only in his heart.
And April will die,
And be born once again,
And he's already come forever...

And he comes, and he'll bring Spring with him,
And he'll scatter the army of grey clouds,
And when we all look into his eyes,
His melancholy eyes will look back at us.
The door to home will be opened,
It's no good if you keep standing, you'd better sit down..
And when we all look into his eyes,
We'll see sunshine in those eyes
RU 9 61079
It all sucks. The only good soviet band is Машина времени, the other ones are love theme abusers or have narcissistic idk how to call it lyrics with 'I' or 'We' in every verse. That makes me vomit
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CL 10 61081
>>1078

Is it about the Perestroika? I'm very ignorant in that matter, here in school in Chile we barely see about the history of East Europe. But I guess that Tsoi lyrics reflected the changes that people wanted to see, being very clear with the song that I always find while lurking on Youtube (Перемен).

Thanks a lot for the answers. Interesting that on the other side of the planet almost at the same time, another band lives something similar. In Chile, Los Prisioneros (The Prisoners) emerged in the early 80', their lyrics were critic, sarcastic and ironic about the politics of that time (A right wing Dictatorship by the General Pinochet, started in 73' after a military takeover), the culture influenced by the USA and the snobs.

They were censored in all the media but managed to fill every stadium and place were they played and you can say with almost full certainty that they were the voice of the people in those years.

After the end of the dictatorship the band dissolved, the leader (and singer) of the band, Jorge González, was a total asshole tho, in the early days you could blame the media but after the rebirth of Democracy it was pretty clear that the ego of this guy was too high and he took criticism very personal, blaming the culture of chilean poeple.

And that's what I find so interesing about Viktor Tsoi, the perception of him stayed because of his death and didn't change too much in comparisson to Jorge Gonzalez. But at the end of the day, nobody can't deny the huge influence that he had in a entire chilean generation.

>>1079

I'll check em
UA 11 61082
>>0976 (OP)
Kino is all about The Cure/Smiths covers cosplay but still better.
BY 12 61089
>>1079
I think egocentric is the word you are looking for. It is valid about Nautilus Pompilius, Grob, but does not apply to Kino.
BY 13 61090
>>1081

>Is it about the Perestroika?


Nope. The song has nothing to do with east Europe. That was the reason I choose it. This following piece of the April song can be a better clue for you:

There are uncountable wounds on the body,
It's hard to take a step,
The star shines only in his heart.
And April will die,
And be born once again,
And he's already come forever...
BY 14 61091
>>1081
I've checked Los Prisioneros. It is a lovely band. Their music is as simple as Kino but vocals sounds sweeter. Also, they remind me the Depeche Mode.

I think the behavior of Jorge Gonzalez was just a matter of his character. Generally soviet musicians who had been in opposition to the regime did not change after it collapsed. They have not betrayed their ideals or their fans.

Here in the east Europe we know Pinochet and sometime praise him. I consider him a savior of Chile who prevented you from becoming another Cuba or nowadays Venezuela. Soviet schoolbooks indeed portrayed it another way. I even remember the verse from a schoolbook about Victor Jara: "blah-blah.. suffering Chile. Along with the guitar they have killed his song."
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CL 15 61093
>>1091

It's nice to hear an opinion from a different point of view. The debate about this in Chile is kind of taboo.

I don't know how much you know about Chile besides politics, but there are huge discrepancies in social standings.

The high/rich class which manage the country in every way, usually they are from rich families from the colonial times, caucasian and usually with a "foreigner" last name. They live isolated from the middle and lower classes in the most expensives areas of the country, working in conglomerates that monopolized the market, you can name at least 10 families that literally own the country.

Obviously they are biased towards right wing politics, Pinochet and conservatism. In the 70-80' Pinochet had the Chicago Boys, a group of chilean economists that went to study to USA and brought a liberal economy model (very experimental) that Americans wanted to try in South America. This went well on the great scale and granted them a huge political influence. But this was good only for the high class. With time, rich people managed to privatize the education (it was free for everyone before) , natural resources: water, eletricity, copper, etc.

We are the only country in the world that has it's water privatized, there a lot of memes about the thing that Nestle wants to do right now.

When you see our GPD per capita, it's about 15000 USD, but in reality 70% of the citizens earn less than 700 USD per month (and I think that even that this data is wrong, the % should be higher and the money even less). So imagine the 70% of the country living with less than 700 USD per month, just the rent cost at least 400-500 USD/mo, college about 600 USD/mo, and add to that transport, food, basic and fucking water, gas and electricity (and you have no choice, there is literally just one company that provides those services in every city and no more options unless you are in Santiago).

So yeah, we are not like Cuba or Venezuela right now, actually, Chile is one of the most stable countries in South America, but this a great country just for the rich people because they get even more rich . The rest of the country is fucked in every way, we can't "climb" to the high class because is a very closed circle that depends on name, family history, business, looks, etc. Almost every student has a huge debt that they have to pay with a deadly interest rate for about 20 years after graduating, and even with that, there is no certainty that you will make more than 700-1000 USD per/mo because employment depends on connections, so If you are lucky and have a family/friend working in a place, you have more chances than a brilliant student or a hard worker, because merits has no value at all. And forget about buying a house in these days, or having a good pension/retirement
(politicians even want to extend the age of retirement for men to 70 years old)

My parents lived both sides of the story, my mother having a lot of young friends being killed for being pro socialist/comunnist, "missing" relatives, and being poor as fuck. My father instead was a soldier in the middle of the dictatorship. Even if Pinochet regime brought a lot of good things, there is a general rejection because of the killings, exiles, censorship, etc.

Personally, I find that right or left wing here are shit. You have socialist/comunnist earning tons of fucking money when the turn into politicians. Parliamentarians earn 14000 USD/mo and they don't even go to work because fuck the people. They don't have idea of how is to live in the middle-low class and every law that they put is about earning more money for them, lowering taxes for conglomerates but increasing taxes of basic resources and SME. The right wing is also shit because they don't want to lose face towards the progressive ideas that are trends nowadays and only approve ridiculous laws that has none impact on improving something important.

Sorry for the long text, about that last part, the impressive thing about Victor Jara is that they killed him in the most important stadium of the country (Estadio Nacional), cutting his finger and teasing him to play and sing (and he did). Every good thing that the dictatorship had is ruined because of the cruelty and blood that is behind, but also Communism doesn't have that much of approval either. That's why we never have a far left or far right goverment, just something in the middle that goes back every 4 years (left-center to right-center).
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CL 15 61093
>>1091

It's nice to hear an opinion from a different point of view. The debate about this in Chile is kind of taboo.

I don't know how much you know about Chile besides politics, but there are huge discrepancies in social standings.

The high/rich class which manage the country in every way, usually they are from rich families from the colonial times, caucasian and usually with a "foreigner" last name. They live isolated from the middle and lower classes in the most expensives areas of the country, working in conglomerates that monopolized the market, you can name at least 10 families that literally own the country.

Obviously they are biased towards right wing politics, Pinochet and conservatism. In the 70-80' Pinochet had the Chicago Boys, a group of chilean economists that went to study to USA and brought a liberal economy model (very experimental) that Americans wanted to try in South America. This went well on the great scale and granted them a huge political influence. But this was good only for the high class. With time, rich people managed to privatize the education (it was free for everyone before) , natural resources: water, eletricity, copper, etc.

We are the only country in the world that has it's water privatized, there a lot of memes about the thing that Nestle wants to do right now.

When you see our GPD per capita, it's about 15000 USD, but in reality 70% of the citizens earn less than 700 USD per month (and I think that even that this data is wrong, the % should be higher and the money even less). So imagine the 70% of the country living with less than 700 USD per month, just the rent cost at least 400-500 USD/mo, college about 600 USD/mo, and add to that transport, food, basic and fucking water, gas and electricity (and you have no choice, there is literally just one company that provides those services in every city and no more options unless you are in Santiago).

So yeah, we are not like Cuba or Venezuela right now, actually, Chile is one of the most stable countries in South America, but this a great country just for the rich people because they get even more rich . The rest of the country is fucked in every way, we can't "climb" to the high class because is a very closed circle that depends on name, family history, business, looks, etc. Almost every student has a huge debt that they have to pay with a deadly interest rate for about 20 years after graduating, and even with that, there is no certainty that you will make more than 700-1000 USD per/mo because employment depends on connections, so If you are lucky and have a family/friend working in a place, you have more chances than a brilliant student or a hard worker, because merits has no value at all. And forget about buying a house in these days, or having a good pension/retirement
(politicians even want to extend the age of retirement for men to 70 years old)

My parents lived both sides of the story, my mother having a lot of young friends being killed for being pro socialist/comunnist, "missing" relatives, and being poor as fuck. My father instead was a soldier in the middle of the dictatorship. Even if Pinochet regime brought a lot of good things, there is a general rejection because of the killings, exiles, censorship, etc.

Personally, I find that right or left wing here are shit. You have socialist/comunnist earning tons of fucking money when the turn into politicians. Parliamentarians earn 14000 USD/mo and they don't even go to work because fuck the people. They don't have idea of how is to live in the middle-low class and every law that they put is about earning more money for them, lowering taxes for conglomerates but increasing taxes of basic resources and SME. The right wing is also shit because they don't want to lose face towards the progressive ideas that are trends nowadays and only approve ridiculous laws that has none impact on improving something important.

Sorry for the long text, about that last part, the impressive thing about Victor Jara is that they killed him in the most important stadium of the country (Estadio Nacional), cutting his finger and teasing him to play and sing (and he did). Every good thing that the dictatorship had is ruined because of the cruelty and blood that is behind, but also Communism doesn't have that much of approval either. That's why we never have a far left or far right goverment, just something in the middle that goes back every 4 years (left-center to right-center).
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CL 16 61094
>>1090

Damn, I'm not getting it, I feel stupid for not understanding the symbolism. Is it about depression?
BY 17 61095
>>1094
April = Jesus
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RU 18 61096
>>1089

>Солнце моё, посмотри на меня


>моя ладонь превратилась в кулак

CL 19 61097
>>1095

Thanks, was Catholicism prevalent during the Kino era? Is it nowadays?
MY 20 61103
Kino is good
UA 21 61106
>>0976 (OP)
DDT > Kino > piss > shit > gorshok (piss and shit both go in there).
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FR 22 61109
what do i see here ? informative posts ?!!!! on my /int/ ?!!!!!! i will not tolerate this
BY 23 61110
>>1097
Religion was kind of suppressed during the communist regime, also it was not popular. By the way, orthodox Christianity prevails in the eastern Europe. Minority follows Catholicism.
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CL 24 61111
>>1110

With time people became more religious or viceversa? In Chile almost my entire generation (30yo) are agnostic or atheist. Is there any relation between social classes and religion in Eastern Countries?

Btw, I'll leave this early 90' chilean band that is also very good (and not political at all)

https://youtu.be/hj6gcYgiXNs
BY 25 61117
>>1111
My grandpa was a young commie activist and run atheist propaganda campaign. He visited villages and was giving speeches criticizing religion from a scientific point of view. Through all his life he was kind of a man of the communist hierarchy following the party orders. But in 1990 when the USSR started to collapse they all were shocked and he baptized. He started praying daily while relatives where laughing at him.

All the people were disoriented after the USSR collapse. They adhered to the logic: if the communist ideology was false and all the things they had been taught in the academy were wrong then what is true? They could not believe in science because all the professors had been discredited with marxism. So in their pursuit of truthful knowledge soviet people turned to pseudoscience, religion and esoteric beliefs. I remember my parents putting vessels with water in front of the TV set to charge them with magic energy. They followed the instructions of an extrasensory psychotherapist from the TV show who claimed he can cure a disease though the TV.

Later most people managed to find a leader or an expert they can trust and turned away from complete idiocy. Today the majority are agnostic. Religion is mostly believed by lower classes or old females.

https://youtu.be/MBRi82r4shk
RU 26 61435
Grazhdanskaya Oborona, of course! Letov ftw!
US 28 61569
>>0976 (OP)
"Smisloviye Galyutsinatsii"
"СмысловыеГалюцинации"
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