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why was muscovite so autocratic compared to other rus' states ? 24 дек, 06:15 63618 В конец треда | Веб

why was muscovite so autocratic compared to other rus' states ?

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2 24 дек, 14:42 2 63628

>>63618 (OP)
moscow is pretty liberal and multicultral compared to other russian cities. petersburg is the more gay one. but moscow is very degenerate with only 30% russians.

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3 24 дек, 15:22 3 63630

>>63628
> but moscow is very degenerate with only 30% russians.
false

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4 24 дек, 18:56 4 63633

>>63628
are you sure you read my thread ?

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5 24 дек, 20:31 5 63634

>>63633
yes moscow was pretty degenerate all the time. their was just swamps in the beginning. before people arived. if you smell all the methangas produced by swamps your brain gets damaged and you become high as fuck. ural is worse, but healthy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR4Fnw7I8nE

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6 24 дек, 20:42 6 63635

>>63618 (OP)
you have wrong impression of russia. russian doesnt have this pyramide like system where one guy rules everything and doesnt care what others say. its 100% western ideology.

we have nothing to do with this. moscow does not rule russia, didnt napoleon attack moscow, but nothing happend and he lost. russians burned down moscow when napo arrived. hitler came to stalingrab because he tought if i conquer some city named after the leader i will conquer russia, but russia doesnt give a shit about that xD they also killed our rulers many times, nothing changed russia keep moving.

russian elite are workers, village people and farmers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z42JduuNAzg

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7 24 дек, 21:19 7 63640

You germs are retards, let me re formulate my question so you can understand better

Why did the grand principality of Moscow, (Not today's Moscow, понял?) had a such authoritarian and autocratic government compared to most rus' states (rus', you know ancient Russians ? Do you understand that I'm not talking about the present days ?) compared to the ANCIENT states of Novgorod, Pskov, Kiev etc ?

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8 24 дек, 21:54 8 63644

>>63618 (OP)
You probably know it from the history. Moscow was occupied by the Golden Horde, while normal slavic states states had been saved by liberal Litva.

The Golden Horde was a large asian state and thus pretty cruel. So, moscovits' assholes suffered a lot from the noble tartar dicks. But moscovits have also learned those authoritarian principles to conquer and rule distant lands. So, when the Golden Horde became weak and set moscow free, moscovits used their anal experience to conquer and rule others. And as long as the Moscow Emprie stays so large, it is going to oppress the peoples to keep them from separatism.

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9 24 дек, 22:06 9 63645

>>63640

>You germs are retards,

How about this explanation: Russia's history includes numerous wars, invasions and occupations. An autocratic system of government was utilized to implement modernization, progress, conquest, economic growth and survival. An autocratic ruler and political system was needed in a similar manner where a strict teacher is required in a learning situation where the students have developmental challenges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Moscow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsardom_of_Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire

The German empress of Russia's Golden Age:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_the_Great

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10 24 дек, 23:10 10 63647

>>63640
>let me re formulate my question so you can understand better
yes i got your questions, good question indeed. but you seem to not understand that what youthink of russia is complety nonsense and made up stuff.

iam russian dude in germany. expert on history.

russia was never authoritarian or autocratic. russia oppose any types of dictatorships, russian fought all kinds of dictators and autocrats. russia was the largest and strongest during nikolai2 rule, who was realy relaxed ruler. russia have no authority except the Most High. russia is what you call "libertarian"in west. but its more of anarchy eco socialist with lil bit of militarism. russia destroyed slavery in 1861.

russia is anti-autocracy

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11 24 дек, 23:19 11 63648

>>63644
How can russia be occupied when the whole asia was by owned by asian people ? Its was simple, asian people invaded eastern europians, lost wars and russia took all the free lands. Its not like russians lived in siberia and mongols came and "occupy" russians that makes not sense.

>>63645
>The German empress of Russia's Golden Age
She was just employed, their was no germany in those times.
>How about this explanation: Russia's history includes numerous wars, invasions and occupations. An autocratic system of government was utilized to implement modernization, progress, conquest, economic growth and survival. An autocratic ruler and political system was needed in a similar manner where a strict teacher is required in a learning situation where the students have developmental challenges.
Never read such bullshit. Russia was never autocratic because it got invaded. The development and grows simply because russians killed the enemies and the lands of enemies became empty. so we took them. Ukraine is slowly become empty too and we take it latter.

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12 25 дек, 04:35 12 63653

>>63644
you don't seem to know much about the Mongolian empire, Mongolians weren't very brutal in their occupation, they were only brutal when the conquered people refused to submit. They were notorious for their religious tolerance and the Golden Horde felt because of internal and ethnic problems between mongolians, kipchaks, volga tatars, nogai etc and even after this fall, the Kazan khanate was an ethnic mosaic and they never tried to assimilate nor to centralize the khanate.
also, Moscow wasn't the only rus state who liberated itself from the Golden Horde (none of them adopted autocracy), and Moscow was already over-centralized before getting big

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13 25 дек, 05:12 13 63654

>>63647
ты чё реально такой дебил или только притворяешся?

14 25 дек, 10:35 14 63660

>>63618 (OP)
Because Moscow is just a swamp with no resources and no nobles, so they used others

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15 25 дек, 11:30 15 63661

>>63653
>They were notorious for their religious tolerance
yesno. they wer tolerant to muslims untill muslims chopped the heads of one of the mongolians diplomat, then they destroyed bagdad und raided several times tatarstan and kavkaz. thats the reason tatarstan became part of russia as a protection from mongols. but latter they rebeled and 3 million tatars got killed by rus

16 25 дек, 19:01 16 63671

>>63648
>How can russia be occupied when the whole asia was by owned by asian people ?
Russia did not exist during the period of time we are talking about. We are talking about Moscovia, another state in Europe. It was founded and populated by slavs, but then submitted to the Golden horde.

17 25 дек, 19:26 17 63673

>>63653
you don't seem to know much about freedom. Freedom is not when your master allows you religious freedom and treats you decently for obedience.

Freedom is when you have no master other than yourself. Nobody can decide your faith, nobody extorts money from you, nobody gives you orders threatening with punishment. Litva was this place for all the slavs. They all were free to believe their orthodox faith. Cities did not paid taxes and enjoyed Magdeburg rights. And this reason they were happy to join Litva freely just to get protection from mongols.

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18 25 дек, 20:13 18 63678

>>63630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdRwozvFAKQ
It's New Year in Moscow on Red Square. Moscow has a lot of fucking asians, it's biggest muslim city in Europe excepting Istanbul.
>>63628
>petersburg is the more gay one
Yes, it is! Also Petersburg is the drug capital in Russia.

19 25 дек, 20:19 19 63679

>>63647
If You trust Putin you're silly. Putin is a lier and thief. He sad that hackers are free people, but in Russia he makes internet censorship, he forbidded tor browser, messenger Telegram and russian social networks must have telephone number of every user.

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20 26 дек, 01:37 20 63691

>>63679
yes hes strong guy, he can do what ever he wants and you cant.

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21 26 дек, 09:09 21 63696

>>63635
You’re not even from Russia you son of a bitch. Stop telling bullshit and go eat some german sausage.

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22 26 дек, 09:27 22 63697

>>63691 go suck putins dick u stupid german rat.

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23 26 дек, 11:23 23 63698

>>63696
>>63697
haha schizo take your meds xD

24 27 дек, 05:06 24 63718

>>63644
>saved by liberal Litva.
АХАХАХАХАХАХАХАХА блядь.

25 27 дек, 05:11 25 63719

>>63647
>russia was never authoritarian or autocratic
yeah all people including dukes was tsar's holops and slave.

26 27 дек, 05:29 26 63720

>>63673
>no master other than yourself
It's hard to leave in Antharctic also very expensive. Somehow people prefer goverment coz it is more easier.

27 27 дек, 19:37 27 63732

>>63673
Who talked about freedom ? I just said that Mongolians were not as brutal as you said and that Muscovy never copied their government style

28 27 дек, 20:39 28 63737

>>63691
Yes, Hitler was a strong guy too and coul do what ever he wants and You can't. Do You want to kneeling in front of him?

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29 28 дек, 23:45 29 63790

>>63737
>Hitler was a strong guy too
he wasnt, he got bullied by us russians and commit suicide. hes weak.

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30 29 дек, 12:08 30 63798

>>63790
It was a good decision not to let your enemies abuse you as they did with Benito. It is know that russians are homosexual barbarians and rape men forcing them to sit down on a bottle.

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31 29 дек, 15:35 31 63801

>>63798
yes around 15000 german male got raped by soviets reported. but most rapes made by central asians, siberians and native russian tribes.
>them to sit down on a bottle.
it was donne by smersh nkvd guis they usually put bottle up someone recktum so he gives information "they think is of value"
>Benito
in russia its not a shame to get tortured and die for your country. its a noble act. so benito died as martyr like jesus christ. its allowed to sacrifice yourself if your intent is to hurt your enemies during battle but killing yourself to avoid torture and death by enemies is not allowed.

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