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> followed by "It's Madoka"

Does anyone have that interview that came out around the time of Rebellion where Shinbo said Madoka's one sin was letting Homura remember her in the new world?

- I vaguely remember something like that from yaraon years ago. It was a poor image of part of an interview with longer text below outlining what Shinbo allegedly said. It briefly stirred up some intense arguments, but after a while I think the consensus was that the more provocative statements were misleading translations or outright fabrications. To my knowledge, neither scans nor a trustworthy transcript were ever posted online.

-I only bring it up because Shinbo apparently consulted on this. Based on some statements that amount to "gee, it sure sucks Madoka became a lonely god" and the direction Rebellion took, a scene like the one I posted seemed to jive with that.

- I get what you mean, I'm just saying that particular claim about "Madoka's sin" is dubious. We know Shinbo has the general sentiment that becoming a god might be too heavy a fate for a girl in middle school to bear. Likewise, we know he suggested making the ending about Homura confronting Madoka as an enemy.
This is just my take on things, as I can't recall the creators ever commenting one way or the other, but I believe the issue of Homura remembering Madoka in the LoC universe is one of those cases where there was no good option.

- I agree on all counts. I just couldn't remember if that interview was real or not because there were a bunch of garbage coming out.

>I believe the issue of Homura remembering Madoka in the LoC universe is one of those cases where there was no good option.

I guess wish for someone that doesn't exist is one that can only go ungranted. It appears salvation though the LoC was never an option.

>I guess wish for someone that doesn't exist is one that can only go ungranted.
Maybe. I suppose it depends on how you look at it. From one perspective, "can a nonexistent entity be protected?" is a philosophical quandary. From another perspective, Madoka/Madokami very much does exist, just not in an empirically observable way.
No matter what perspective one adopts, Homura is an extremely anomalous existence in the LoC universe. In the series it was established that a magical girl's nature (meaning both her specific abilities and her general power level) is a function of her karmic potential and the particular wish she made. My personal view is that when Madoka made her ultimate wish and rewrote reality, it also forced a sort of reinterpretation of Homura's wish. In the old universe, it was a wish to save one girl. In the new universe, it's effectively a wish to surpass god. At least, that's what makes the most sense to me given what happened in Rebellion.

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- Rebellion is very compatible with the exact wording of her wish.

- Redo the meeting is keywords of her wish. She was suffering because she can't meet her one more time and one more and one more... Madoka's protection is not that important because she doesn't need it.

- It's the key motivator of her wish. It's just as important as redoing time. She doesn't want to be protected by Madoka, instead she wants to be the one protecting her. Madoka ever saving or protecting her as a magical girl goes directly against Homura's wish.

- Her motivator is her inability to handle Madoka's death/disappearing. Madoka didn't even need her protection that much.

>Believes she fucked up by letting Madoka become seperated from her family and friends

>Her wishes specifies that she must be redo her wish AND become strong enough to protect Madoka

>Keep the incubators in check

>Does not want to live in a world without Madoka because her life ceases to have purpose without her

She has multiple motivators. This is why she cannot be said to be comoletely wrong or completely right. You can't really expect someone who spent 12 years going back in time only to fail at their wish to "just get over it". All the other magical girls had their wishes granted and were allowed salvation. Go back to the end scene with Sayaka. Madoka showed Sayaka that her wish had purpose and that in the end, her wish for Kyousuke's arm resulted in Kyousuke being able to play his beautiful music again. Now think of all the good and evil magical girls in the spin offs and all of the girls in series: they will be able to say that their lives had purpose and that their wishes were granted just like they wanted.
That scene cannot happen with Homura because Madoka made it impossible for her wish to have any meaning. By ceasing to exist, Homura's wish has no resolution.

- In my interpretation of the situation of Homura in the new world in an uncomfortable situation, in the middle of a scale where one end have the wish to save Madoka done (if considar the end of the PSP where Homura fight alone against Walpurgisnacht and wins, she eventually dies without guilt inside and thus prevents turn into witch like what happened to Madoka the first cycle) and at the other end she is a normal girl who may or may not perform the contract, but that she have free will to choose her future. Basically she is forced to honor a contract where the other party has not done its part and no chance to break it. And this creates an irony when Homura talks about the duty of magical girl and in fact she should not even be fighting.

-And that is why I have a problem when people say the series ended on a perfect note. Homura's wish becomes a massive plot hole. Had they said her wish changed, it would have closed that. Instead, Homura changes her resolve, not her wish. And that is why we see the stuff after episode 12 ends. Homura was locked into a bum contract that no longer functioned, Had she been able to break it or had she been able to change it, she could have possibly gone on to live a relatvely normalish life. Instead she can't even tell if her wish was correct or if Madoka is an illusion, and she is incapable of making friends with the other megucas because they'd never accept her struggle and memories as anthing more than delusion. It goes back to the whole memories of Madoka thing: it's just objectively bad. While it's not Madoka's "sin", it was a selfish act on her part in that she wanted Homura to be the sole person who remembered her. When people say Madoka loves and cares for all megucas everyone equally, they forget that Madoka consciously hoped that Homura and Homura alone would be able to remember her.