91 Кб, 640x636Fellas, as an actual pindos, I’m here to tell you that learning Russian is genuinely fucking scuffed.
Not only is it a difficult language to learn, extremely so for someone whose baseline native language is English but the payoff when interacting with natives is usually just comically underwhelming. Please don’t take this as an insult, it’s kind of funny, but just something I’ve noticed.
You see on YouTube/tiktok/instagram/whatever videos of foreigners speaking Chinese, Arabic or some African language and when they speak it to a native, the natives reaction is always something crazy. Something like shock or 😮😮😮😮😍😍😍😍 and praise. Maybe it’s because they’re white and most natives aren’t white so it really comes as a surprise.
Now when I as a white guy from the US with no Russian DNA or connections what so ever speak Russian to a native Russian speaker the only reaction I get is just
“Why”
Not only is it a difficult language to learn, extremely so for someone whose baseline native language is English but the payoff when interacting with natives is usually just comically underwhelming. Please don’t take this as an insult, it’s kind of funny, but just something I’ve noticed.
You see on YouTube/tiktok/instagram/whatever videos of foreigners speaking Chinese, Arabic or some African language and when they speak it to a native, the natives reaction is always something crazy. Something like shock or 😮😮😮😮😍😍😍😍 and praise. Maybe it’s because they’re white and most natives aren’t white so it really comes as a surprise.
Now when I as a white guy from the US with no Russian DNA or connections what so ever speak Russian to a native Russian speaker the only reaction I get is just
“Why”
2 125490
>>5486 (OP)
Your problem is that you can't find a man who matches your interests. Language has nothing to do with it.
Russians come in many varieties, from stuffy introverted weirdos to extroverted bastards who are unstoppable.
The people you are socializing with at the moment have no interest in you.
The problem of social circle is solved very simply: register in VK and start being active in one of the many groups dedicated to America. You can even make an announcement that you need a companion for friendship and language maintenance.
I could be friends with you, but I've grown out of casual online dating with CIA operatives. Sorry.
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Your problem is that you can't find a man who matches your interests. Language has nothing to do with it.
Russians come in many varieties, from stuffy introverted weirdos to extroverted bastards who are unstoppable.
The people you are socializing with at the moment have no interest in you.
The problem of social circle is solved very simply: register in VK and start being active in one of the many groups dedicated to America. You can even make an announcement that you need a companion for friendship and language maintenance.
I could be friends with you, but I've grown out of casual online dating with CIA operatives. Sorry.
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5 125508>>5486 (OP)
>>5505
Honestly yes, if you think that everyone is entitled to treat you differently because you're an "le epic American" they don't owe you shit.
>>5505
Honestly yes, if you think that everyone is entitled to treat you differently because you're an "le epic American" they don't owe you shit.
7 125522One starts to learn correctly a new language if you are motivated to study that and 95% is work. I didn't give a fuck during British Council plus not doing any homework instead watching WWE Raw and Smackdown the night before classes. I don't even know I passed FCE and CAE examination. but I was immersed with videogaymes, movies and music that didn't suck unlike Portuguese artists.
8 125523>>5522
I don't like the English language, it's too primitive and simple for me, very narrow spectrum for toxic verbal creativity and sarcasm, I feel like I'm in chains every time I need to humiliate someone on the internet. But I can definitely admit that it's very good for programming languages.
I don't like the English language, it's too primitive and simple for me, very narrow spectrum for toxic verbal creativity and sarcasm, I feel like I'm in chains every time I need to humiliate someone on the internet. But I can definitely admit that it's very good for programming languages.
12 125548>>5486 (OP)
I get that too, I have been learning russian for a long time now without ever even being in russia. I didnt even learn the language to communicate with people in the first place, but once I had a good foundation it was a very pleasant side effect of knowing the language.
Across the board the reactions are pretty neutral but its fine. I didnt expect them to shit themselves but I think across the board the appreciation for putting so much effort into learning russian lacks.
I get that too, I have been learning russian for a long time now without ever even being in russia. I didnt even learn the language to communicate with people in the first place, but once I had a good foundation it was a very pleasant side effect of knowing the language.
Across the board the reactions are pretty neutral but its fine. I didnt expect them to shit themselves but I think across the board the appreciation for putting so much effort into learning russian lacks.
13 125552>>5548
It depends on your social circle. In Russia, it is customary to praise a foreigner for good Russian. It is not accepted only by those who don't give a fuck about you and people in general.
It depends on your social circle. In Russia, it is customary to praise a foreigner for good Russian. It is not accepted only by those who don't give a fuck about you and people in general.
8 Кб, 320x126 14 125798>>5486 (OP)
Since you're not as understanding as I'd like you to be, I'm going to have to help you. Here are a few picks from the hundreds of communities in VK that are dedicated to the US.
https://vk.com/global_usa
https://vk.com/usamyusa
https://vk.com/life.inamerica
https://vk.com/americhka
https://vk.com/theusa
Make yourself a page like Facebook and just start commenting on posts there in your own language.
Sooner or later someone will notice you, maybe some Natasha who is interested in the inner workings of the Statue of Liberty, so you can at least find someone to practice the language with.
Since you're not as understanding as I'd like you to be, I'm going to have to help you. Here are a few picks from the hundreds of communities in VK that are dedicated to the US.
https://vk.com/global_usa
https://vk.com/usamyusa
https://vk.com/life.inamerica
https://vk.com/americhka
https://vk.com/theusa
Make yourself a page like Facebook and just start commenting on posts there in your own language.
Sooner or later someone will notice you, maybe some Natasha who is interested in the inner workings of the Statue of Liberty, so you can at least find someone to practice the language with.
16 125885>>5882
And the highest number of useless synonyms. Also most of them are garbage and borrowed from other languages. Your achievement, well done. You don't even know what you're talking about right now.
And the highest number of useless synonyms. Also most of them are garbage and borrowed from other languages. Your achievement, well done. You don't even know what you're talking about right now.
17 125893>>5885
These synonyms only appear useless to you because you are unaware of subtle differences in meaning/context between them. Your level is too low. Read more books.
These synonyms only appear useless to you because you are unaware of subtle differences in meaning/context between them. Your level is too low. Read more books.
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>>5882
to try — попытаться (verb)
a try — попытка (noun) | synonyms: attempt - попробовать
is trying to - пытается
tried - пытался (about man, a process that failed)
tried - попытался (about man, from the beginning of the action that initiated the process that ended unsuccessfully)
tried - пыталась (about woman, a process that failed)
tried - попыталась (about woman, from the beginning of the action that initiated the process that ended unsuccessfully)
tried - пытались (plural, a process that failed)
tried - попытались (plural, from the beginning of the action that initiated the process that ended unsuccessfully)
tried - пыталось (about middle genus, a process that failed)
kek (lol) - кек (лол)
Did you know that in Russian there are animate nouns and inanimate nouns?
to try — попытаться (verb)
a try — попытка (noun) | synonyms: attempt - попробовать
is trying to - пытается
tried - пытался (about man, a process that failed)
tried - попытался (about man, from the beginning of the action that initiated the process that ended unsuccessfully)
tried - пыталась (about woman, a process that failed)
tried - попыталась (about woman, from the beginning of the action that initiated the process that ended unsuccessfully)
tried - пытались (plural, a process that failed)
tried - попытались (plural, from the beginning of the action that initiated the process that ended unsuccessfully)
tried - пыталось (about middle genus, a process that failed)
kek (lol) - кек (лол)
Did you know that in Russian there are animate nouns and inanimate nouns?
19 125970>>5962
in other slavic languages, is there this kind of declension too or it is Russian special?
in other slavic languages, is there this kind of declension too or it is Russian special?
20 125971>>5486 (OP)
You must divide russians in Russia and migrant russians. Migrant russians always want to assimilate and forget theirs culture and language. They are compost for foreign nation. Except Brighton Beach, probably.
You must divide russians in Russia and migrant russians. Migrant russians always want to assimilate and forget theirs culture and language. They are compost for foreign nation. Except Brighton Beach, probably.
391 Кб, 800x813 21 125991>>5970
Also the number of grammatical cases in different Slavic languages:
West Slavic languages:
Polish: 7
Czech: 7
Slovak: 6
Upper Lusatian: 6
Lower Lusatian: 6
South Slavic languages:
Serbian: 7
Croatian: 7
Bosnian: 7
Montenegrin: 7
Slovenian: 6
Macedonian: 5
Bulgarian: 0
East Slavic languages:
Russian: 6
Ukrainian: 7
Belarusian: 6
Proto- and artificial:
Old Slavonic: 7
Church Slavonic: 7
There are no cases in Bulgarian - they are replaced by prepositions, much like in English and other European languages.
The Prabolgarian language used by the ancestors of Bulgarians was not Slavic and had no cases. In the period from IX to X century the Old Bulgarian language was formed, which was used by the Slavic peoples.
At the end of IX century Cyril and Methodius together with their pupils were engaged in work on unification of language. This activity resulted in the written Church Slavonic language, which had a full set of cases. The cases were fully preserved in documents until the end of the fourteenth century.
However, during the late Ottoman period, which began in the sixteenth century, the cases began to disappear. This was due to the fact that by that time the last book schools had disappeared. During the transition to the New Bulgarian language, which began in the 17th century, the cases were replaced by prepositions.
Ottoman slavery didn't do these guys any good.
The seventh case in some cases is the vocative case. Its mechanics are very primitive: if you want to call someone, for example Eva in Czech, you have to replace the last letter of the Nominative case with the "o" of the Vocative case - Evo. In some Slavic languages it is considered rudimentary, so it officially doesn't exist. But in Russian it unofficially still exists, for example, to call Ivan, you can write "Vanyush", to call mom - "mamul", focusing her attention on me. However, it doesn't have any regularized form, so it doesn't have a formal case (I hope it's understandable).
I did a dumb but necessary experiment and asked a Serb on 4chan what would happen if I called his name in vocative case instead of accusative, would he realize his name? He said it makes no difference, he will focus his attention on me in both cases.
Also the number of grammatical cases in different Slavic languages:
West Slavic languages:
Polish: 7
Czech: 7
Slovak: 6
Upper Lusatian: 6
Lower Lusatian: 6
South Slavic languages:
Serbian: 7
Croatian: 7
Bosnian: 7
Montenegrin: 7
Slovenian: 6
Macedonian: 5
Bulgarian: 0
East Slavic languages:
Russian: 6
Ukrainian: 7
Belarusian: 6
Proto- and artificial:
Old Slavonic: 7
Church Slavonic: 7
There are no cases in Bulgarian - they are replaced by prepositions, much like in English and other European languages.
The Prabolgarian language used by the ancestors of Bulgarians was not Slavic and had no cases. In the period from IX to X century the Old Bulgarian language was formed, which was used by the Slavic peoples.
At the end of IX century Cyril and Methodius together with their pupils were engaged in work on unification of language. This activity resulted in the written Church Slavonic language, which had a full set of cases. The cases were fully preserved in documents until the end of the fourteenth century.
However, during the late Ottoman period, which began in the sixteenth century, the cases began to disappear. This was due to the fact that by that time the last book schools had disappeared. During the transition to the New Bulgarian language, which began in the 17th century, the cases were replaced by prepositions.
Ottoman slavery didn't do these guys any good.
The seventh case in some cases is the vocative case. Its mechanics are very primitive: if you want to call someone, for example Eva in Czech, you have to replace the last letter of the Nominative case with the "o" of the Vocative case - Evo. In some Slavic languages it is considered rudimentary, so it officially doesn't exist. But in Russian it unofficially still exists, for example, to call Ivan, you can write "Vanyush", to call mom - "mamul", focusing her attention on me. However, it doesn't have any regularized form, so it doesn't have a formal case (I hope it's understandable).
I did a dumb but necessary experiment and asked a Serb on 4chan what would happen if I called his name in vocative case instead of accusative, would he realize his name? He said it makes no difference, he will focus his attention on me in both cases.
391 Кб, 800x813 21 125991>>5970
Also the number of grammatical cases in different Slavic languages:
West Slavic languages:
Polish: 7
Czech: 7
Slovak: 6
Upper Lusatian: 6
Lower Lusatian: 6
South Slavic languages:
Serbian: 7
Croatian: 7
Bosnian: 7
Montenegrin: 7
Slovenian: 6
Macedonian: 5
Bulgarian: 0
East Slavic languages:
Russian: 6
Ukrainian: 7
Belarusian: 6
Proto- and artificial:
Old Slavonic: 7
Church Slavonic: 7
There are no cases in Bulgarian - they are replaced by prepositions, much like in English and other European languages.
The Prabolgarian language used by the ancestors of Bulgarians was not Slavic and had no cases. In the period from IX to X century the Old Bulgarian language was formed, which was used by the Slavic peoples.
At the end of IX century Cyril and Methodius together with their pupils were engaged in work on unification of language. This activity resulted in the written Church Slavonic language, which had a full set of cases. The cases were fully preserved in documents until the end of the fourteenth century.
However, during the late Ottoman period, which began in the sixteenth century, the cases began to disappear. This was due to the fact that by that time the last book schools had disappeared. During the transition to the New Bulgarian language, which began in the 17th century, the cases were replaced by prepositions.
Ottoman slavery didn't do these guys any good.
The seventh case in some cases is the vocative case. Its mechanics are very primitive: if you want to call someone, for example Eva in Czech, you have to replace the last letter of the Nominative case with the "o" of the Vocative case - Evo. In some Slavic languages it is considered rudimentary, so it officially doesn't exist. But in Russian it unofficially still exists, for example, to call Ivan, you can write "Vanyush", to call mom - "mamul", focusing her attention on me. However, it doesn't have any regularized form, so it doesn't have a formal case (I hope it's understandable).
I did a dumb but necessary experiment and asked a Serb on 4chan what would happen if I called his name in vocative case instead of accusative, would he realize his name? He said it makes no difference, he will focus his attention on me in both cases.
Also the number of grammatical cases in different Slavic languages:
West Slavic languages:
Polish: 7
Czech: 7
Slovak: 6
Upper Lusatian: 6
Lower Lusatian: 6
South Slavic languages:
Serbian: 7
Croatian: 7
Bosnian: 7
Montenegrin: 7
Slovenian: 6
Macedonian: 5
Bulgarian: 0
East Slavic languages:
Russian: 6
Ukrainian: 7
Belarusian: 6
Proto- and artificial:
Old Slavonic: 7
Church Slavonic: 7
There are no cases in Bulgarian - they are replaced by prepositions, much like in English and other European languages.
The Prabolgarian language used by the ancestors of Bulgarians was not Slavic and had no cases. In the period from IX to X century the Old Bulgarian language was formed, which was used by the Slavic peoples.
At the end of IX century Cyril and Methodius together with their pupils were engaged in work on unification of language. This activity resulted in the written Church Slavonic language, which had a full set of cases. The cases were fully preserved in documents until the end of the fourteenth century.
However, during the late Ottoman period, which began in the sixteenth century, the cases began to disappear. This was due to the fact that by that time the last book schools had disappeared. During the transition to the New Bulgarian language, which began in the 17th century, the cases were replaced by prepositions.
Ottoman slavery didn't do these guys any good.
The seventh case in some cases is the vocative case. Its mechanics are very primitive: if you want to call someone, for example Eva in Czech, you have to replace the last letter of the Nominative case with the "o" of the Vocative case - Evo. In some Slavic languages it is considered rudimentary, so it officially doesn't exist. But in Russian it unofficially still exists, for example, to call Ivan, you can write "Vanyush", to call mom - "mamul", focusing her attention on me. However, it doesn't have any regularized form, so it doesn't have a formal case (I hope it's understandable).
I did a dumb but necessary experiment and asked a Serb on 4chan what would happen if I called his name in vocative case instead of accusative, would he realize his name? He said it makes no difference, he will focus his attention on me in both cases.
22 125992>>5991
I had something up there before “Also”, meant to write something useful, but forgot while I was writing the historical background.
I had something up there before “Also”, meant to write something useful, but forgot while I was writing the historical background.
23 125995>>5991
I will add just in case: these are two imperial (Byzantine) scientists-linguists, who were commissioned by the Byzantine Emperor Constantine (presumably) to develop Glagolitic alphabet for Russian Slavs, the purpose of which was religious and trade integration with the Byzantine Empire.
The same part of scientists believe that they also created the modern Cyrillic alphabet, but there is a theory (which is mainly promoted by Bulgarians, lmao) that the Cyrillic alphabet was created by the Bulgarian scientist Kliment Ohridski in the book school, which is located on the territory of modern northern Macedonia.
>Cyril and Methodius
I will add just in case: these are two imperial (Byzantine) scientists-linguists, who were commissioned by the Byzantine Emperor Constantine (presumably) to develop Glagolitic alphabet for Russian Slavs, the purpose of which was religious and trade integration with the Byzantine Empire.
The same part of scientists believe that they also created the modern Cyrillic alphabet, but there is a theory (which is mainly promoted by Bulgarians, lmao) that the Cyrillic alphabet was created by the Bulgarian scientist Kliment Ohridski in the book school, which is located on the territory of modern northern Macedonia.
24 125996>The same part
The MOST part*
My brain is tired.
I hope that answers your question.
25 126017>>5971
Nah, I lived in Brighton Beach for a couple of decades. It's mainly Odessa and otherwise Ukrainian jews. And those people are pragmatists - they will continue to speak the language and live like they did in the USSR because it's simply easier for them to do so, and the government permits their enclave , so why not?
Strangely though, they are all very pro-putin and even vote for him if they have citizenship. I always thought to myself, you haven't lived there in decades, how the hell do you feel you have the right to vote on behalf of Russians who actually have to live with the consequences of your decision...
Nah, I lived in Brighton Beach for a couple of decades. It's mainly Odessa and otherwise Ukrainian jews. And those people are pragmatists - they will continue to speak the language and live like they did in the USSR because it's simply easier for them to do so, and the government permits their enclave , so why not?
Strangely though, they are all very pro-putin and even vote for him if they have citizenship. I always thought to myself, you haven't lived there in decades, how the hell do you feel you have the right to vote on behalf of Russians who actually have to live with the consequences of your decision...
26 126027>>6017
The consequences of their electoral choices are fine with me. Problems?
On the other hand, a real Russian is someone who lives in Russia and pays taxes, benefiting the economy and society with his labor.
The consequences of their electoral choices are fine with me. Problems?
On the other hand, a real Russian is someone who lives in Russia and pays taxes, benefiting the economy and society with his labor.