>A: Каждую неделю есть кластер бесплатных героев, играй сколько влезет. За неделю ненапряжной игры ньюфаг спокойно покупает себе любого героя за 10к. Или нескольких подешевле.

Ну так одно дело КЛАСТЕР, а другое дело - реальная возможность играть сразу всеми, без задрочки перед этим целую неделю на говне, которое тебе малоинтересно. И да, в том т ои дело, что героя за 10к можно разве что за первую неделю нафармить, ибо там действует подарочный ХП буст за достижение 10 лвл, а также бонусы за достижения уровней. Потом ты даже героя за 5к будешь полгода фармить. У этой еболы есть один сомнительный плюс - тебе придется осваиваться за то говно, за которое ты играть не хочешь, чтобы получить тех героев, которых хочешь, а это пойдет на пользу скиллу по всем направлениям.

>A: Славно. А теперь вспомни, за скольких из них ты обычно играешь. А тут более чем играбелен любой герой. Каждый из них – из игр близзард, со своей историей и характером. И со своим характером игры, а подвижные переносчики скиллов из дотанчика.

Давайте без этого, тут тож есть юзлесс говно, которое заходит только в особых полутора пиках, специально заточенных под этого героя и в этом деле ХОТС имеет баланса и количества играбельных героев не больше чем дота, если не меньше. Насчет истории и характера лучше бы молчали... Когда великого Артаса убивает какой то ебучий мурлок, а иллидан какой то пиздой оказывается на одной арене с Рейганом, то все намеки на ЛОРовость сразу кончаются, а остается восприятие моделей как таких же подвижных переносчиков скиллов, разве что более красивых и ярких, чем в дотане. И характер игры тут не у каждого героя свой, а свой он у каждой роли. Характеры игры внутри ролей отличаются уже частностями, опять же, никаких отличий от дотана

>Вот и выходит, что вариативность в тут вполне может быть выше.

Блять, в хотсе у каждой роли только по несколько (3-4) вариации скиллов на каждые несколько лвлов, причем многообразие так себе, скажем. В доте артефактов куда больше, и многообразие их пересечений тоже куда больше. И артефакты в доте сами по себе многообразней, а не как в хотсе "добавить плюс к атаке или добавить хотс в защите,хмм", не говоря уж о том, что артефактов с оригинальными активками больше на порядок (в хотсе они вообще только у саппортов есть)

Так что очередная попытка выставить ХОТС как что-то очень охуительное провалилась. У хотса есть свое своеобразие в большей простоте, динамичности, красивой графике, приятых героям, оригинальной системе разделения ролей (в том числе отсутствию ЯВНЫХ керри и явных говнососов к концу игры, правда в доте этот разрыв тоже сокращается), отсутствию жесткой ебли с фармом и соответствующими денежными проблемами, вот этим всем. Именно этим своеобразием хотс и берет, но не тем, что написано в этом тупорылом посте

HOTS math is rather easy. A flat gold rate of 25 per game can be assumed with a 50% W/L ratio (30+20/2 = 25). Daily quests if they came up with equal frequency you'd have an average of(800 + 600 + 3004 + 2003)/9 = 355.55556, or 356 gold per daily quest.
So let’s use a 2 hour play day as our baseline. The average play time per week for a gamer who plays more than 5 hours a week is 22 hours, but we assume the HoTS crowd is more casual and/or plays other stuff too.
This way we get a nice middle of the road figure that some people play less than and some people play more than to get a more representative number. Games last around 20 minutes. So in a 2 hour (120 minutes) stint you'd play around 6 games. This does not account for downtime between games like queing, load screens, pee breaks, family, etc.
6 games 25 gold average per game = 150 gold. 150 gold + 356 gold from averaged daily = 506 gold over 2 hours. 506/2 = 253 gold per hour.
With those earning rates in mind:
Hero Tiers:
5 heroes at 2,000 gold: 2,000/253= 7.90 hours
6 heroes at 4,000 gold: 4,000/253= 15.81 hours
9 heroes at 7,000 gold: 7,000/253= 27.66 hours
11 heroes at 10,000 gold: 10,000/253= 39.52 hours
Hero Average Math:
5 X 7.9 = 39.5
6 X 15.81 = 94.86
9 X 27.66 = 248.94
11 X 39.52 = 434.72
818.02 total hours to acquire 31 heroes. 818.02/31 = 26.38 hours to acquire a hero on average. (Average hero cost is 6,677g btw)
So 26.38 hours of play, on average, to get a new hero with a low of 7.9 hours and a high of 39.2.
League of Legends:
For a win, the reward is approximately: 18 IP + 2.312 per minute IP. For a loss, the reward is approximately: 16 IP + 1.405 per minute IP. Average between the two is 2.312 + 1.405 = 1.8585. 60 minutes 1.8585 = 111.51IP an hour. Average game time is 35 minutes so you'd get 17 IP X 1.71 times an hour for an average of 29.14 IP an hour from the initial bonus. 111.51 + 29.14 = 140.51IP an hour. First win of the day bonus is 150.
With a 50% win rate playing 2 hours (3.5 games) we get: 140.51 2 = 281.02 + 150 = 215.51 IP per hour. This does not account for downtime between games like queing, load screens, pee breaks, family, etc.
Champion Tiers:
11 champions worth 450 IP. 450/215.51 = 2.09 hours
22 champions worth 1,350 IP. 1,350/215.51 = 6.26 hours
24 champions worth 3,150 IP. 3,150/215.51 = 14.62 hours
32 champions worth 4,800 IP. 4,800/215.51= 22.27 hours
32 champions worth 6,300 IP. 6,300 /215.51 = 29.23 hours
Champion Average Math:
11 champions worth 450. 450 X 11 = 4,950
22 champions worth 1,350. 1,350 X 21 = 29,700
24 champions worth 3,150. 3,150 X 25 = 75,600
32 champions worth 4,800. 4,800 X 29 = 153,600
32 champions worth 6,300 IP. 6,300 X 32 = 201,600
2,159.76 hours to acquire 121 champions. 4,950IP + 29,700IP + 75,600IP + 153,600IP + 201,600IP = 465,450IP/121 = 3,846.69IP per champion on average. 3,846.69/215.51 = 17.85 hours.
So basically 17.85 hours of play, on average, to get a new champion with a low of 2.09 hours and a high of 29.23 hours.
Comparison between games:
Low: Heroes of the Storm = 7.9, League of Legends = 2.09
High: Heroes of the Storm = 39.52, League of Legends = 29.23
Average: Heroes of the Storm = 26.38, League of Legends = 17.85
Low: Heroes of the Storm takes 5.81 hours longer per hero
High: Heroes of the Storm takes 10.29 hours longer per hero
Average: Heroes of the Storm takes 8.53 hours longer per hero
Percentage of Difference:
Low: Heroes of the Storm takes 278% LONGER.
High: Heroes of the Storm takes 35% LONGER.
Average: Heroes of the Storm takes 48% LONGER.
ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS:
Low gold cost heroes are a terrible value.
Low gold cost heroes are just a terrible value. Relative to League the 2k heroes take 278% longer to earn via play, however relative to the 10k gold heroes they are twice as expensive. $10 for a 10k gold hero should buy 5 of the 2k gold heroes. However you can only buy 2.5 of them with $10.
You're spending double the amount of money for the gold or close to triple the amount of time you'd spend to earn the cheapest League champions.
Gold to $ conversion rates.
2,000g / $4, 4,000g / $6.50, 7,000g / $8.49, 10,000g / $10.00
2,000g = 100g = $0.20 (Takes 278% longer via time to earn)
4,000g = 100g = $0.16
7,000g = 100g = $0.12 (Takes about 50% longer via time to earn)
10,000g = 100g = $0.10 (Takes 35% longer via time to earn.)
As you an see, you are screwed no matter which way you go. The purchase of a low gold cost hero will cost you either more time or more money to a significant degree.
Bonus gold for leveling HOTS heroes to 5:
Heroes of the Storm Hero level 5 achieved 500g bonus. However this is quickly exhausted. It takes 2-4 hours to level a hero to 5 depending on win/loss, game mode, and solo/party...so lets assume 3. Assuming you leveled 1 hero per 1.5 days to level 5 the time it would raise your gold per hour from 253 to 419. This is an increase of 66% and it would last for 46.5 days for a total of 2.92 heroes purchased during that time before it was exhausted. The actual gold gained from this leveling is 500 31 = 15,500 OR 2.32 heroes worth.
It should be noted that you may not be able to level a hero as often as optimal even if you have time because they may conflict with quests. IE, the need to play 3 specialist (1 hour of play) leaves you only an hour left to level non-specialist heroes if you do not have a specialist to level. So hero leveling will likely be somewhat more spread out.
Runes in League of Legends:
A full survival rune page in League of Legends costs 8,166 IP. This allows you to play any champion at an effective level.
Still 8,166/215.51 = 37.89 hours to achieve the runes needed to play any champion at an effective level. Depending on your tastes more runes may be needed in the future, but you'll have purchased the vast majority of the needed runes and adaptation to specific rune pages for specific champions will be vastly cheaper. Still, additional runes could potentially massively increase this cost depending on your personal tastes and how many roles you play.
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/22oubp/cheat_sheet_for_rune_pages_for_2014_season_as/
Heroes of the Storm: Quests forcing hero play:
To complete quests you'll often have to play a specific type of hero. With 3 games required and playing 6 games (2 hours) in a day, this means that you will spend 50% of your play time on these days playing what the quests tell you to instead of what you wish to play.
Downtime between games:
This comparison does not take into account loading times, que times, pee breaks, family breaks, or any other consideration that takes time in between matches. Because Heroes of the Storm has much shorter games (20 minutes vs 35 minutes) it will naturally have a greater amount of downtime over the same duration play session and 3 games in an hour is actually unrealistic.
Because you do not get rewarded by play time in HOTS but instead games and quests, this is especially pertinent for Heroes of the Storm.
Heroes of the Storm Playtime Scales horribly:
Most of your income in HOTS comes from quests and little of it from playtime. So the more time you play the less your gold per hour will be by a large amount. League has a much much flatter curve.
Heroes of the Storm: 3 games in an hour, quest done. Single day.
Quest = 356g = 5.33% of average hero price.
Hour of play = 75g = 1.12% of average hero price.
Total for 1 hour of play = 6.45% of average hero price (almost competitive)
Total for 2 hours of play = 7.57% of average hero price
Total for 3 hours of play = 8.69% of average hero price
Total for 4 hours of play = 9.81% of average hero price (Blown away)
League of Legends: 1 hour of gameplay, 1st win of the day completed. Single day.
First win of day = 150 IP = 3.90% of average hero price
IP per minute = 1.8585 * 60 minutes = 140.51 per hour. = 3.65% of average hero price
Total for 1 hour of play = 7.55% of average hero price (slighty better)
Total for 2 hours of play = 11.2% of average hero price
Total for 3 hours of play = 14.85% of average hero price
Total for 4 hours of play = 18.5% of average hero price (Crushing HOTS)
Within 4 hours League in a single day League has nearly double the progression of HOTS due to this. Basically HOTS is always the worse value but the more you play the worse of a value it is.
Flexible Bundles and sales:
On the monetary side of the issue League has a roughly 15% advantage on general hero prices. However the larger advantage comes in the form of bundles and sales.
Not only are the bundles in League of Legends a much better value per hero, but they are also flexible, meaning if you own heroes already the price of the bundle is decreases accordingly.
In addition League of Legends runs weekly sales on 6 heroes at a time, allowing you to get them 50% off.
Conclusion:
The gold gains from account and hero leveling combined with the rune costs Heroes of the Storm is initially a slightly better value for the first month of play.
HOWEVER after the first month of play the gold gains from Heroes of the Storm decrease until they all but disappear and the rune costs similarly decrease and all but disappear.
This means if you plan on playing multiple months or more that League of Legends has a much much MUCH more generous system. Monetary purchases in League are also a much better value.
Conjecture:
The Heroes of the Storm monetization system seems to revolve around giving people the feeling of rewards right out the gate and getting them invested in the game. The first month people play they are forming their impressions of the game and will likely make friends and spend money/gold if they are the type to do so. Basically the first month is based around getting people invested.
After the first month your gold gains are cut drastically, but you are already invested. To leave the game at this point would require you to leave your time investment, friends, real money purchases, and gold purchases. People have a really hard time walking away from investments regardless of what their future worth is. This is known as the sunk cost fallacy or Escalation of commitment.
Blizzard seems to be relying on this to keep customers who would otherwise have left after knowing how gold gains would really be like for continued play.
Likewise Daily Quests give people the feeling of quick progression for low time investment, even if this is not mathematically the case. In fact the mathematics of the situation shows that they are less generous even in short time sessions and are directing you specifically to the worst investments of your time and money when held up to their competition.
So I would additionally postulate that they are intentionally obfuscating the real gains and costs through multiple levels of math they do not expect your average player to slog through. In essence manipulating their purchases without the customer knowing to extract the maximum profit by devaluing their time and money both without the customer knowing it. All alternate currencies do this to some degree, and Riot Points are no exception, but this certainly takes it a couple steps beyond that.
So the real numbers are likely worse than what is shown here, because people will naturally gravitate towards using gold for the 2k/4k heroes and money for 10k/7k heroes, both of which compare the least favorably of all to it's competition.
Note: This says nothing of how much someone likes the game one way or the other. Numerous people will prefer one or the other and some people will like both or neither.
I encourage people to double check and verify any math that I use. I've provided the means for you to do so. Accurate math with the full context is vital to understanding the financial side of things.